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Nails wrote:Laser finish gates would be good, but they are very expensive....hence the laser bit. Also its a bit unnecessary for a classic race, not like 10ths of seconds really count, and then you'd need to be using a series 6 si card if you were worried about it!
can't they use emit systems were you run pass the control and it registers?
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rob f - yellow
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trebor:
Was this the planner's fault?
JK guidelines don't have recommended winning times any more. Instead, distances are set out as a ratio to M21L. The length of M21L should be one that the top M21E can do in 67 mins, which is meant to give an actual winning time of 76 mins. In fact Jamie's speed equates to 68 mins on M21L (pretty good), but actual w/t was 86 mins. So, if anything, M21L might have been a bit long, although there is nothing in the guidelines about compensating for different types of terrain.
M16A should be 0.45 the M21L distance. In fact it was 0.415, so a bit short, but that is perhaps partly compensated for by the marginal overdistance of M21L. Even so, at 0.45, the winning time would still have been 32:30 . Ratio for W16 was 0.31 (should be 0.32), for W18 0.35 (should be 0.39)
Was the actual winning time of 30 mins, or the theoretical w/t of 32 1/2 mins too short, particularly given the fact that the top 2 were 4 minutes clear of the rest of the field? It isn't a million miles from tiimes for races in Sweden.
So - whether you feel the times were too short or not, I don't think you can really lay this at the door of the planner. I suspect it's more to do with the philosophy of what times/distances M/W16s should be racing.
underplanned courses from blue start
Was this the planner's fault?
JK guidelines don't have recommended winning times any more. Instead, distances are set out as a ratio to M21L. The length of M21L should be one that the top M21E can do in 67 mins, which is meant to give an actual winning time of 76 mins. In fact Jamie's speed equates to 68 mins on M21L (pretty good), but actual w/t was 86 mins. So, if anything, M21L might have been a bit long, although there is nothing in the guidelines about compensating for different types of terrain.
M16A should be 0.45 the M21L distance. In fact it was 0.415, so a bit short, but that is perhaps partly compensated for by the marginal overdistance of M21L. Even so, at 0.45, the winning time would still have been 32:30 . Ratio for W16 was 0.31 (should be 0.32), for W18 0.35 (should be 0.39)
Was the actual winning time of 30 mins, or the theoretical w/t of 32 1/2 mins too short, particularly given the fact that the top 2 were 4 minutes clear of the rest of the field? It isn't a million miles from tiimes for races in Sweden.
So - whether you feel the times were too short or not, I don't think you can really lay this at the door of the planner. I suspect it's more to do with the philosophy of what times/distances M/W16s should be racing.
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awk - god
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but anyway,
i thoght it was a really good weekend, there may have been a few small problems, but thats life, and it makes things more interesting. Medium race was tough, a good old challenge, which i failed to match. The classic was quality with lots of changes in terrain so you had to constantly adapt your style and speed. Relays were ace, brilliant, yeah!
i thoght it was a really good weekend, there may have been a few small problems, but thats life, and it makes things more interesting. Medium race was tough, a good old challenge, which i failed to match. The classic was quality with lots of changes in terrain so you had to constantly adapt your style and speed. Relays were ace, brilliant, yeah!
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mharky - team nopesport
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On the "steep" run in - being a bit mean but it was quite funny to see some people take a tumble at the start of the uphill 5m from the end! Ouch!
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Niall - string
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Progressographs ahoy
Just added the Elite classes from the JK to splitsbrowser
Middle:
http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/splitsgraph.php?eventId=497
Classic:
http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/splitsgraph.php?eventId=498
tried to upload all splits, but the files are too big, so apologies to all the non E-class runners
Middle:
http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/splitsgraph.php?eventId=497
Classic:
http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/splitsgraph.php?eventId=498
tried to upload all splits, but the files are too big, so apologies to all the non E-class runners
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Ed - diehard
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As an aged crusty I thought the relays courses for the mere mortals were rather long. I only did a LG leg on Ad Hoc and this was longer than either of my indiv days and just as physical, apart from the long run in section of the last two controls. After two days of good technical but physical competition I was bushed and could barely walk at times. In relays people often end up helping a team out and I think that beyond the elite relays this should be born in mind because it will put them off from volunteering in future.
As for Day 1 I thought it was well planned, day 2 not quite so good but both were 110% better than the orange level course we got at the British.
I also thought Graythwaite seemed much more runnable than the BOC before.
Car parks well that is another story, and perhaps all organisers might like to think about departure as well as arrival.
The finish of day 2 for the elites was brilliantly handled, all the better cos Hannah won. However the weather probably meant a greater crowd cos we're all influenced by that.
As for Day 1 I thought it was well planned, day 2 not quite so good but both were 110% better than the orange level course we got at the British.
I also thought Graythwaite seemed much more runnable than the BOC before.
Car parks well that is another story, and perhaps all organisers might like to think about departure as well as arrival.
The finish of day 2 for the elites was brilliantly handled, all the better cos Hannah won. However the weather probably meant a greater crowd cos we're all influenced by that.
Diets and fitness are no good if you can't read the map.
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trebor wrote: Sadly 2005 will be crap, as the areas are pretty crap, they are miles apart, and the logo, although containing a very attractive young lady (Carol) also contains the ugliest creature alive.
I don't think Brown Clee is crap and i don't know how you can say the chase area will be crap as it hasn't been used before - true they are a long way apart - but we had to attend 3 meetings at Ulverston which meant we had about 6 hours driving over the weekend despite being camped really near the events.
JK 2004 was great - I'd have been very surprised if it wasnt - and JK 2005 may not be the Lakes but it will be the best the region can offer - and that will be the same for everone - I think the Lakes might get a bit worn out if we followed the EM initiative every year.
As for your closing statement - I agree
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Mrs H. - nope godmother
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I'd agree Mrs H., and would in fact go one stage further: the individual areas look really good, and will certainly provide variety. I don't know about the Relays, never run there. Also, it's only day 1 that will require much driving from the Event Centre area, although you were unlucky about the meetings in Ulverston, we never made it that far. Just because they aren't the Lakes doesn't mean it can't be a great JK - if that was the case, the Spring Cup would never have amounted to much.
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awk - god
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Thank you Awk, and also there will be a combined event centre and camp site at Lichfield Rugby club which is centrally located with bars and Wilf's doing the catering which promises to be really cool - ask the managers
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Mrs H. - nope godmother
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awk wrote:I'd agree Mrs H., and would in fact go one stage further: the individual areas look really good, and will certainly provide variety.
Quite so. Variety is the attraction of the JK, which is why EMOA were right to refuse to do the JK on the same old areas and WMOA are right to hold it on a new bit of Cannock and a decent area like Brown Clee.
Graeme
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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excuse me but sherbrook has been used before - its an area which is fast, open and easy. I won't deny that brown clee is ok, but sherbrook being used to test the worlds best - they might as well run 17km round an athletics track, or up and down the malvern hills. that contour detail is rubbish, as G says, so although the organisation is the best we can allegedly offer, (areas on dymock woods (never used for orienteering, great mixture), foxley and a relay on eastnor park would be better as they are quite close together) i struggle to see it matching even the welsh JK
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