Compass Sport Cup Scoring System

[HOCOLITE]

There is a strategy, there are some easier rounds to attend if you can get to them.

[Snail]

Another issue is that courses - at least for seniors - appear to be planned for the top class in each age group: M/W21L, M/W45L etc.

At the SEOA round yesterday M55S runners were expected for run 7.6km, and W55S 5.3km. Large clubs generally have no difficulty in getting full numbers of scorers in each class. Smaller clubs, even if they have sufficient numbers in each age category, can't always get them to run courses of the offered lengths.

This seems odd for a competition specifically aimed at promoting inclusiveness. Should course lengths reflect the full range of age classes they are aimed at?

And on a different topic, will Local BOF Membership in 2007 (if adopted) force (m)any Trophy clubs over the 100-BOF-member threshhold and into the Cup?

[guest]

Hoo hoo - now there's a good point!

[RJ]

No reason why the conditions for Cup can't be based on the number of Full BOF members, as now. The Local BOF members, are just that, the club's local members.

[Adventure Racer]

Is the scoring fair to girls? On the light green no W16 is going to stand a chance against a good M18, should the W16's do orange or should the M18's do blue?

Of course in some regions you get a (the?) top M18 running Brown and slaughtering all of those people who's course it should be

[SYO Member]

In reply to Distracted, and digging into the SYO archives, here’s a summary of all the CSC finalists in finishing order. Host club in brackets. 2001 shows the first 6 in SYO’s Inter Club trophy where all clubs were invited to a ‘final’ in foot and mouth year.

1983 (LOC) SYO, SN, WCH, FVO, HH
1984 (EPOC) SYO, DEE, SN, SOLWAY, 3ROC
1985 (SYO) AIRE, DVO, SLOW, INVOC, 3ROC
1986 (SELOC) DVO, WCH, FVO, MV
1987 (SROC) DVO, SYO, HH, ESOC
1988 (WCH) SYO, DVO, SLOW, INVOC
1989 (EPOC) SYO, BOK, ESOC, CORKO, SLOW
1990 (LEI) SYO, BOK, TVOC, ESOC
1991 (WCOC) NOC, ESOC, BOK, SLOW
1992 (SWOC) BOK, SYO, HH, CORKO, ESOC
1993 (HAVOC) SLOW, LOC, TVOC, EBOR, CORKO
1994 (STAG) SYO, BOK, LOC, MV
1995 (LEI) MDOC, TVOC, BOK, SLOW
1996 (HOC) SLOW, TVOC, EBOR, CLOK
1997 (WCOC) MDOC, NOC, TVOC, HH
1998 (NATO) SYO, NOC, LOC, SO
1999 (TVOC) WCH, SYO, SLOW, TVOC, NOC, MDOC
2000 (AIRE) SYO, MDOC, SLOW, NOC, BOK
2001 (SYO)* DEE, WCH, MDOC, SYO, NOC, LOC
2002 (HOC) BOK, SOC, NOC, SO, AIRE, MDOC
2003 (NOR) NOC, SO, TVOC, AIRE, LOK, BOK
2004 (HALO) AIRE, NOC, WCH,SO, MDOC, SOC
2005 (SELOC) OD, BOK, AIRE, NOC, SLOW, MDOC, SO, DVO, EBOR

Don’t know if it proves anything, but after the discussion about the turnout of club members, it seems that more often than not, the winning club is the one that is based nearest to the host club’s area.

Again on the issue of SYO travelling through AIRE’s territory when travelling the 170 miles to Callaly last Sunday, whereas AIRE went to Macclesfield 25 miles west of Sheffield, I believe Macclesfield was our first choice but we were allocated Callaly, which was probably our second choice. This is no reflection on NATO by the way, as it was a very enjoyable event, just the distance. Even though SYO did not finish in the first 3 in the 2005 final, maybe we were seeded, as there would have been at least 4 of the ‘stronger’ large clubs at Macclesfield.

I must admit I would have preferred that we took our chances against AIRE and MDOC now, at a local area, rather than travelling another 175 miles to the final in October. But if we’d come second to AIRE at Macclesfield, we’d still meet them again at Greenham Common!

[seabird]

I guess there is a 'core' of clubs who are there pretty much every year (NOC, AIRE, BOK, OD, SO etc...). It's like a 'top division' of clubs which others may break into once in a while - and that could well be dependent on the draw for the qualifying rounds - so why not make it a top division?

Being large doesn't automatically get you to the final. For instance, Aire have been a very large club for the 19 years I have been a member, but in that period they have only made the final for the last 5 years, which unsurprisingly has coincided with SYO's temporary fall from grace. By that I mean it's good to have the local rivals back in the Final.

Whoops just read SYO Member's post which makes the point forcefully.

[seabird]

Have been asked by our younger juniors why the yellow course doesn't count for M/W 10. As it is we had an eleven year old and two nine year olds running on the orange which was chal;lenging to all three of them. Also a younger brother would have coped with the yellow but certainly not orange.

This point has been raised many times over the years.
If I understand it correctly the event deliberately does not cater for the M/W10s to avoid putting unnecessary competitive pressure on them. I.e. their result could be the difference between a team's success or failure.

For the same reason they should not be encouraged to run up on Orange, unless they have previously displayed competence at that level. The events are asked to provide non-Cup/Trophy Yellow and White courses to cater for this age group.

[guest]

Taking SYO member's table and arbitrarily awarding 4 points for a 1st place, 3 for a second, 2 for a third and 1 for a fourth produces the following rank order of clubs over the last quarter of a century:-

1... SYO... 42
2... BOK... 24
3... NOC... 21
4... SLOW.. 18
5... TVOC.. 15
6... DVO... 14
7... WCH... 14
8... MDOC.. 13
9... AIRE.. 11
10.. DEE... 7
11.. ESOC.. 7
12.. LOC... 7
13.. SO.... 6
14.. HH.... 5
15.. SN.... 5
16.. OD.... 4
17.. EBOR.. 3
18.. FVO... 3
19.. SOC... 3
20.. CORKO. 2
21.. INVOC. 2
22.. MV.... 2
23.. CLOK.. 1
24.. SOLWAY 1

[distracted]

Thanks SYO member for that - NOC have been particularly successful over the past 10 years! The number of clubs competing in the final seems to have increased rapidly in the past few years - with 10 in the final this year and the top 3 rule I guess this could now cause a 'core' group of clubs appearing more often than not...

[SYO Member]

Guest, I hope your chart includes the 2001 Inter Club Trophy. Yes?

[HOCOLITE]

Interesting the no. of clubs that have been host but never qualified for finals, are those who are'first division club' exempt from hosting

[Adventure Racer]

I'd noticed that - is there some deliberate policy there, given that there are 4 clubs who have hosted twice but never made the finals, and several regular finalists who have never hosted.?

[Blanka]

2003 (NOR) NOC, SO, TVOC, AIRE, LOK, BOK

Just for completeness, that one was an EAOA-organised final, not just NOR-organised...

[Ed]

2003 (NOR) NOC, SO, TVOC, AIRE, LOK, BOK

Just for completeness, that one was an EAOA-organised final, not just NOR-organised...

For complete completeness, it was LOC and not LOK who were second-last (I can still remember the bracken...)