Scottish 6 day final details

[HarryO]

I suspect many will be in for a shock when they do get to study the programme to find they have 4km to trudge each way to assembly on day 5, plus upto another 2km to the start. It might be me but 10km for the younger kids and more mature may be a little too much on top of the courses. So glad we're not on the early start blocks!

Yes, this is a shock. We're worried that our two youngsters can't make the extra 10km and are seriously considering missing Day 5. I hope they can find a solution.

[superstartradesman]

I suspect many will be in for a shock when they do get to study the programme to find they have 4km to trudge each way to assembly on day 5, plus upto another 2km to the start. It might be me but 10km for the younger kids and more mature may be a little too much on top of the courses.

I've enquired about this, and received a quick reply from the central organising team describing the circumstances behind the situation and why various suggested transport solutions were not possible. I have every sympathy with the Day 5 team's position in having to make what must have been an enormously difficult decision to have parking so far away.

However...the significant problem remains of getting kids (ours are both under 10) from a car to a start 6km away, and then 4km back from the finish. At this point, like I guess several other families, we are considering whether it's feasible for us all to compete that day, but perhaps some people here have innovative solutions for transport to/from assembly? Giant skateboard? Trebuchet...?

[HarryO]

Segways? Joking aside, was wondering why the obvious (bussing - especially for families) hasn't been mentioned?

[sketchweppers]

I hope you can resolve this one as I don't fancy the extra mileage myself! Sadly Easyjet and bikes are not a match made in heaven, and 4+ bikes strapped onto/into the car is not an option so its Shank's Pony for a fair few of us!

I am not looking foward to all the groans and moans from my two kids (who are more than capable of walking that far - but they just don't like it), and my husband has been adamant that we are not taking the bikes - the fuel consumption of putting 4 bikes on the roof just makes the trip too expensive! I will just be really stressed out by the time I get to my start - thank goodness I am actually at a different start from them! At least I will have a slight breather from the moaning.
Let's hope it is not raining!

[Gross]

This moaning about long walks is a direct result of the popularity of 'urban orienteering'. People are starting to expect everything next to each other....

Go to Europe... get some great courses as a result of long walks....

The 6 days wouldn't make you walk 6 km if it wasn't going to give you great orienteering... you should be happy...

And all this moaning about the extra cost of fuel making it too expensive for bikes... that's middle Englanders reacting to the doom and gloom of the media

[Paul Frost]

Following the loss of our initial choice of parking field the distance from parking to assembly is considerably more than we (and you) would like. We are still working on ways that we can reduce the effect for at least some people but ideally many.

The road is very narrow, and that makes mixing cars and pedestrians difficult. We can assure you that a large number of people are working very hard to come up with a workable alternative.

It looks like at the very least we will arrange transport of club tents from assembly Day 4 to the assembly field of Day 5.

[superstartradesman]

This moaning about long walks is a direct result of the popularity of 'urban orienteering'. People are starting to expect everything next to each other....

Go to Europe... get some great courses as a result of long walks....

The 6 days wouldn't make you walk 6 km if it wasn't going to give you great orienteering... you should be happy..

Right-o, Gross. Of course it's all those urban events the under 10s do these days...turns them into softies who demand the start's set up in the car park.

[buzz]

It's very late and it's been a very long day and I probably shouldn't respond but...

Read the stuff above, you don't need to print it, you will be given a copy.
You can read it on screen if you want to know what it says.
Or if you really want to print it out on A4 and use a magnifying glass.

Reformatting into an A4 format is not going to happen, it took long enough to get where we are.

Why are people so obsessed with wanting to print it out themselves, when a perfectly good copy will be given to them?
I'm beginning to wish I hadn't made it available to download in the first place.

Paul - firstly thanks for all the effort you and the team are putting on - looks like being a great event. The web site is excellent and the concise final details seems a brilliant idea to me.

However, a printable version would have been gratefully appreciated. If its too difficult to do at this stage then fair enough, there's no need to get in a tis about it. Just because you can't understand why people might want to print out the details beforehand, it doesn't make their preferences any less legitimate.

Can't decide whether to buy an A3 double sided printer or a maginifying glass. Just kidding

[Mrs H]

Oh boy do I feel smug - not only do I (obviously) not own a dog, my children are all adults, I'm taking my bike and I do own an A3 double sided printer.

But I have to say I'm a bit worried about the announcement that the quiz is being brought to us by the same people as last time - does that mean we'll get that man with the funny voice, have to bone up on Scottish history and what the planner likes to eat for breakfast again?

[Paul Frost]

Phew, what a relief!
Mrs H is happy, I must have done something right

[pigweed]

I told you so! I did warn about this months ago when Paul first mentioned that they'd be doing this style of program.

[Paul Frost]

The new programme format needs a new mindset, in the same way that the internet has changed the way we communicate and consume books, music, film etc.

Text messages and Twitter are limited to 160 characters and are some of the most common methods of communication and sharing of information, people seem to like brief. There has been a thread on NopeSport in the past complaining about the size of event details

We need to forget what has gone before and think about this as a brand new thing without any pre-conceptions. The fact that we have based the idea on one used at a barebones event is irrelevant, the information contained isn't barebones, it's succinct.

How people use the new programme will be different to how they would have used the old one, not better or worse, just different. They will adapt to what they are provided with. In most cases there will be more information available, in a more dynamic and up-to-date format than ever before. The new programme is designed to be a quick easy reference that's small enough to be in everyones O-kit, not a reference book.

Print this
For those that do want to print out the full details from the website I've now added a print icon on the detail pages to make it easier and more obvious that you can print just the main content without headers, footers or images.

[Roger]

Congratulations Paul on grasping the nettle ... although you probably feel as if you've grasped the thistle.

[mappingmum]

You've got to sympathise with the event organisers here on this one I think. They are caught between a rock and a hard place.

I love the concise A3 page on the web. If I was going this year, I'd be rotating the page through 90 degrees on my PC and printing it on 4x A4.

[Duncan]

Regarding day 5:

It looks like at the very least we will arrange transport of club tents from assembly Day 4 to the assembly field of Day 5.

Can you also arrange transport of club tents from Day 5 to Day 6? Else folks still have to carry them 4km back to their cars at the end of Day 5.