Whitbarrow

[Red Adder]

Geomorph wrote "A quality navigator does not need to be able to see the kite until they are standing adjacent to it. The kite is only there to confirm you have achieved the objective, not to show where the objective is. Likewise the punch is only there to provide proof of visit.

It is a lot of extra work to ensure the kite is hung to minimise kite-seeking navigation, and similarly it requires extra effort to ensure that plate-kites can be visible as per rule 6.3.2. Too often I've been able to see the described feature, but not the kite.

I'd rather be frustrated by not finding a control site because I am not led into it by a visible kite, than the all too frequent 'seen yer' at 50+m. The latter gives little satisfaction, whereas finding the feature first time through navigation not beacons is immensely so. "


I'd be well hacked-off though if I found the feature but then lost time as I had had to search for the actual control, especially if my presence then gave its location away to the next runner so they didn't have to search. That to me hints as a bingo-ish control and can spoil what is otherwise a well planned leg

[greywolf]

Firstly the control flags weren't hung on stakes or canes. They were on the ground, weighted down with a rock. This meant on some occasions it was possible to navigate to the feature and still not find the control

Can't see how that's acceptable, regardless of whether it was mentioned in the final details, (like, no-one else has ever held an event on rocky ground?) and find it hard to believe that the event was allowed to keep L2 status...mind you it seems that whoever (in BOF?) is supposed to police such things only cares about whether you use the "correct" map scale...