Tinto Twin

[frog]

OK, so does that mean Alexander Chepelin wins the M14A class but the winner of the M12A class is the lad currently leading the orange course and the top placed M14 real age lad comes second in M14?
What if Alexander Chepelin was the second best LG runner? Would he then be the second placed M14 rather than the first placed M12?
I sort of get why you don't compare orange course points with light green but it still seems a bit strange.
Glad I'm not fast enough to run up, it all gets far too confusing.

[graeme]

You are right about the 12/14s.

Meanwhile Eddie (M55) wants to run up a course as M50, not an M45. So when he beats all the M45s he wont win M45 (despite beating them all), or M50 (Jethro or Dixie will beat him) or M55 (despite being the fastest) . Got that?
And if Hazel wins the course, she'll be the champion of W21 and M45, but not W45 . OK?

That's the brown course for you - clear as mud!
Top tip - pick the course you fancy and try to enjoy it, if someone gives you a trophy, just smile, and don't forget to try the soup.

[awk]

Hi Eddie
Very, very odd, I agree. I now understand your concerns, and have to say have every sympathy with you on that one. The logical thing would be that if you are an M55 running up on the same course as M45 and M50, that you are placed in the M50 class. I see no rhyme nor reason for the (SOA?) decision to apparently arbitrarily include you in M45.

But that is a peculiarity imposed by the organisers, not by the new BOF system. BOF has simply provided a course structure: it's the SOL organisers who have come up with that weird and not so wonderful idea of putting you in M45 and not competing against M50s.

(But then, I've never understood why when the leading M50 beats the leading M45, the M45 is still declared the winner of that class. Arrant nonsense to me, but one that some people seem to think makes some sort of sense. Much better to put all the M45+ together into one list, then pick out those from older classes.)

Yet again, this does seem to be the new system being misused, leading to it being mistakenly blamed.

[SJC]

Yet again, this does seem to be the new system being misused, leading to it being mistakenly blamed.

The recurrent theme of the new system is that as you enter the event by colour your age class is irrelevant. Hence all the entry systems seem to just pick up your age class from the BOF data base. There is no option to say "I don't care what BOF thinks, I want to enter this race as an M50, and appear in the results as such."

It is this approach that is causing the problems and needs to be fixed. (Or should we just accept that BOF always knows best).

[lindseyk]

This post seems to have been highjacked by a discussion on age classes. How about a return to the event in question and serious matters such as is there a prize for the best turnip lantern used for navigation on Saturday evening and are pumpkin lanterns allowed (hope not as we need to maintain the Scottish tradition). Can you buy halogen candles ?

[frog]

Pumpkins may be American but they are much easier to hollow out than turnips/ swedes. Tried to make a turnip lantern once, never again. Pumpkins are bigger and easier to carve.
A halloween themed night race sounds fun. It doesn't take much to make me look witch like, although my son's getting to an age where he might be more inclined to disown me than join in.

[andypat]

Totally agre regarding this perennially thorny moral issue. SHould you go for a turnip and risk serious injury from flying knife shards or go for the (lets face it) almost hollow already pumpkin.
I'mm with you on the tried it once and never again school of turnip carving but surely there is an opening for someone developing a hollow bred of turnip specifically for the Halloween market?

[redkite]

remember once on Blue Peter (in the days of Petra)they made a lantern from an orange or it could have been a tangerine. Gave a nice glow I seem to remember

[awk]

The recurrent theme of the new system is that as you enter the event by colour your age class is irrelevant. Hence all the entry systems seem to just pick up your age class from the BOF data base. There is no option to say "I don't care what BOF thinks, I want to enter this race as an M50, and appear in the results as such."

It is this approach that is causing the problems and needs to be fixed. (Or should we just accept that BOF always knows best).

I repeat: this is nothing to do with BOF, but to do with the organisers. The BOF system is that there is a range of colours, and that people can enter any which one they want , be competitive, and the results are published as a course. Organisers, if they want, can then add age class (or other) competitions on to that. It is up to them how they organiser those, and it is the organisers, NOT BOF, that are preventing Eddie enter the M50 class competitively.

There are plenty of things that has been got wrong by BOF, but this is not one of them!!

As to the turnip lanterns - is there a limit on the candlepower allowed, or classes for different ages and/or power?!

[graeme]

There are plenty of things that has been got wrong by BOF, but this is not one of them!!

That's not what SJC was saying - he said its a problem with the Oentries system.
He's still wrong though
For this event, I expect they'll use AutODownload and overwrite the Oentries data from the SI database (if they wasted time getting the data from Oentries in the first place). The way around this is to ask AT DOWNLOAD to get your age class changed, which takes about a minute (or 20secs if you're SIman).

[EddieH]

AWK I had decided to say nothing else on this, but I have never failed to get your point - I never claimed the oddity was laid down by the BOF changes. I also reiterate that I am truly not bothered - I am merely highlighting a very odd situation.

[frog]

2 of us are now planning to bring carved pumkins to the registration area on Sat.
My second Myo XP arrived yesterday. Will try it out tonight at FWTN.

[graeme]

Interesting event.

Lovely Saturday evening with the welcome soup & roll treat at the end.

Heroic efforts by Tinto and friends on Sunday in horrible conditions . The new areas looks really rubbish, even by West Lothian standards, but I thought they got a pretty good course out of it. Excellent new mapping! It seemed a bit odd running the same legs on Saturday and Sunday, but knowing where the controls were and what they were on in the dodgy old Beecraigs bit was helpful

[RJ]

What a contrast in conditions!!!

The night event was excellent, in almost warm conditions, giving exactly the right level of difficulty for night navigation. The control sites were fairly straightforward, but there was quite a bit of careful navigation required on the myriad of paths in between. The legs were very runnable, making you work hard to achieve a good time. There was also a very good turnout for the event, which shows that the format is increasing in popularlity.

Well done Tinto..... just buy a few direction signs though!!

[andypat]

Agree with Graeme - despite the conditions (and my mispunch) the team running this event were never anything other than cheerful in the face of atrocious conditions. I'm afraid I probably agree with him about the area - although the weather wont have helped my memories of it. In its defence theres a bit of diversity of terrain which keeps you on your toes.

Hope the weathers better for the SOSOl next week...