UK Masters Cup 2011

[Tatty]

Up dated tables are now up on the BOF website. Thanks for the quick updates Eddie

[EddieH]

Thanks to Roger I now have the tables in a far more readable form on Roger's website.

They can be found at http://www.oxfordfusion.com/ukmc/

[Gnitworp]

Extract from BO website:

UK Masters Cup – 2011 Operation
Introduction
The proposal is to provide a competition for veteran/masters (M/W35+) orienteers based on a
subset of the current programme of Level A and some Level B events.
2011 will be a trial year with the intention of providing a finals event in the future.


What form would a 'Finals Event' take? Would it be a single race that decides the competition regardless of accumulated points in 8 scoring events. If so, doesn't this negate the whole idea of the competition, which rewards consistency across a variety of events and disciplines. What would be the point of travelling the length and breadth of the country to accumulate points if the whole exercise is decided by one event. You might just as well not bother with the 19+ event series and just have the Final. And what type of race would the Final be? Urban, Sprint, Middle, Long?
Would winning the points tally simply give you the marginal, if any, advantage of starting at the back of the field in the 'Final Event'? Who would bother travelling the length and breath of the country for a marginal advantage in the final?

If, however, it means a chasing start event, with start intervals based somehow (I'm not sure how) on points tallies, it might be better (but not much). And what if the 'points leader' can't make it to the FInal!

[Scott]

I think something closer to the UK Cup Final was envisaged - an event which gives those who go to it an extra counting score in addition to their previous scores. But obviously this is just an idea, and any feedback on it will be very welcome: masterscupfeedback@britishorienteering.org.uk

[Gnitworp]

Does this mean 9 counting scores for those that happen to be able to make to the 'Final' instead of the 8 for everyone else - hardly fair - or would it just be another routine event with 8 still to count?

[Scott]

Nine counting scores for those that happen to be able to make to the 'Final' and eight for those who don't would be in line with the system used by (eg.) the UK Cup, the FCC, and the World Cup. But there is no particular reason why we would have to do what they do.

[EddieH]

The aspiration has nothing to do with me - I simply apply the scoring rules. I do tend to agree with Gnitworp that it is unlikely that a system that will appeal to a wide range of masters competitors, and is likely to have the effect of putting off a number of competitors from bothering with the competition in the first place.

However BOF's published aims seem to be a national competition which could largely make this trial year irrelevant to the future anyway.

We'll have to wait and see.

[Gnitworp]

Scott, I've copied my 2 posts and your reply in an email to MastersCup Feedback Thanks for the link.

[IanD]

It's up to everybody with an interest in the Masters Cup to send in feedback about how they would like it to be in the future. Including but not limited to:

- should there be a final, with a scoring system which makes it difficult to win the series without doing well in the final?

- should the three national league competitions for different age groups (Masters Cup, Future Champions Cup & UK Cup) continue separate or be combined into one?

A lot of us like to whinge about whatever British Orienteering come up with, but if you don't say what you want, you're not entitled to complain about getting something different!

[Gnitworp]

- should there be a final, with a scoring system which makes it difficult to win the series without doing well in the final?

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....or doing it at all if you unfortunately happen to be indisposed.

[EddieH]

... or travelling a 600+ mile round trip for yet another weekend

[andypat]

I think the masters cup should remain a distinct entity for the elder orienteers. At least in theory, it gives those of us who have never been elite orienteers, the opportunity to measure some sort of acheivement in orienteering. If it were combined with the elites, I think this would lessen rather than increase the appeal.

[EddieH]

Latest tables updated at
http://www.oxfordfusion.com/ukmc/

Interesting that the vast majority of runners in W45 to 55 at the Northern Champs have already scored, whereas in M70 it is their first masters cup event for a big majority.

Kerry has almost regained her lead in W35.

[Kerry W]

Eddie, are you insinuating that I should be embarrassed?

[EddieH]

Absolutely no. The face was supposed to represent the great effort which just failed to get to 1st slot.