World Cup 05, Runners Routes

[mharky]

I was looking today at the heat winners' routes from the sprint qualification at Guildford uni last year. Merz seems to have taken a very interesting route from 13-14; he clealy went over a fence mapped as uncrossable.

Shouldnt he have been DSQ?

How come the organisers didn't pick it up?

[guest]

Can you be disqualified for incorrectly marking your route after the event?

Where in the rules does it say that?

[J.Tullster]

Haha...Mharky, you must be bored! Or are just a geek! But nice spot...hmmm, I say, disqualify him!

[mharky]

Why would you incorrectly mark up your map after a run?

[Klebe]

Often wondered about this (excuse my naivety) does an uncrossable fence mean that you are not allowed to cross it or is it advice that the fence is of such size or form that it is uncrossable and hence the possible route should not be attempted, (unless commando trained)

[Oldman]

No doubt someone can put me right, but I thought an "uncrossable fence" (as sometimes loosely described on maps) was actually "a high fence over 1.5m uncrossable by the average orienteer" rather than a fence whose crossing would lead to disqualification.

Can someone point out the Rule which says you cannot cross a "high fence", to use its correct name.

[mharky]

This is a sprint race & map (as mentioned in the original post), so sprint rules apply. ISSOM 2005 from the IOF:

You may also not cross impassable walls, crags, bodies of water, vegetation (e.g. darkest green), pipelines, buildings mapped as dark grey and areas mapped with olive green.

[Ed]

on a normal orienteering map, a high/uncrossable wall/fence/crag/marsh is just a guideline

on an IOF-standard sprint map, an uncrossable wall/fence/crag (marked with an extra-thick black line) is something that you are not allowed to cross, regardless of whether you physically can do so.

At the German sprint champs last year they'd marked some 1m-ish high walled terracing in a castle grounds as uncrossable walls, and then had two spotters sat at the bottom of the slope making notes of anyone who crossed them... since I was looking for a large few-metre-high castle wall (as was also marked with the same symbol) then I ran off the terraces without noticing (leaving 15 to east-northeastish on this map:)

[LostAgain]

I also believed "uncrossable" was due to size and was advisable rather than out of bounds.

I thought it would be marked as out of bounds if so?

In the meantime two further posts clarify point and makes this out of date. Keep up, same on training runs!

[mharky]

One will have only been aware of the new IOF specifications if you have run any proper sprint races...

[guest]

Why would you incorrectly mark up your map after a run?

Well that's the line of defense I would recommend.

[Klebe]

Its usually quite a mystery to me just where I've been.
I wouldn't trust my marked up maps to stand up in court.!! - Perfect defence

[Adventure Racer]

According to his map he went over the building to 16 too

[guest]

....and given that the fence must have slowed him down to some degree wouldn't the path to the SSE have been a better route choice anyway?

[rocky]

not by the time he got to the fence. assuming the route on the map is correct one has to assume that he didnt see the fence on the map when planning it, only when he got to it, or even after he had crossed it/finished, would he have realised that it was not to be crossed.

so he either knew it was not to be crossed and crossed it anyway, or he didn't realise it was not to be crossed.

at EOC in denmark some runners (Valstad + Omeltchenko included if i remember correctly) realised after they finished that they ran through an oob area, and owned up to the organisers. the problem comes when people don't own up in such an honest way! Should we have spotters out at every potential dsq'ble point of the course?

interestingly i remember the opposite thing happening at beoc sprint at sandhurst last year: craney encountered an uncrossable wall (6ft - higher than him anyway!) which wasn't on the map as uncrossable. i remember him saying he stopped for a few seonds to make sure he wasn't going to get dsq'd and then clambering over.