We've managed to get permission to run round a school... and it's a little gem being an original old hall much expanded over the decades in a haphazard fashion... Saturday 29th October.
I'm about to start mapping. After studying the CompassSport Stockholm maps, I understand the labelling of the stairs and assume the arrows point in the up (or down?) direction. Any other advice people who have run on these maps could give me would be much appreciated.
I thought of start times say 11am to 12.30 and then people could swap maps and try another course just to get the hang of it ready for the Second York Indoor Cup in 2017 (We've got permission for another school as long as this one goes well!).
So when is the UKIL starting?
Edited to correct pm to am!
First York Indoor Cup
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Re: First York Indoor Cup
Great news!
Don't have my maps to hand, but I believe the staircase arrows pointed up. You can just see that at the top of staircase D on the map below. If the staircases go up in half-levels with corridors leading off from both sides, as happened in both schools used at this year's SIC, you need to be a bit careful about how to map it. Essentially some bits of the map on the same floor plan end up being half a floor up (or half a floor down!) from other area (eg 13 is half a floor lower than 24). Caught me out on parallel floor errors on at least two occasions!
Also, be creative with the arrangements of rooms and tables. The 'slalom' on day 1 this year (seen around no 24 below) was fun - but definitely a route choice to be avoided!
Its amazing what can be achieved with some clever taping!
Happy to send copies of maps (D21) from this year's event if that would be helpful.
Don't have my maps to hand, but I believe the staircase arrows pointed up. You can just see that at the top of staircase D on the map below. If the staircases go up in half-levels with corridors leading off from both sides, as happened in both schools used at this year's SIC, you need to be a bit careful about how to map it. Essentially some bits of the map on the same floor plan end up being half a floor up (or half a floor down!) from other area (eg 13 is half a floor lower than 24). Caught me out on parallel floor errors on at least two occasions!
Also, be creative with the arrangements of rooms and tables. The 'slalom' on day 1 this year (seen around no 24 below) was fun - but definitely a route choice to be avoided!
Its amazing what can be achieved with some clever taping!
Happy to send copies of maps (D21) from this year's event if that would be helpful.
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Super - no weather worries or controversy over compulsory carrying of cagoules then
Hope it's a misprint though about the 11pm start time
Hope it's a misprint though about the 11pm start time
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denbydale wrote:Super - no weather worries or controversy over compulsory carrying of cagoules then
I take it anti-crocodile whistles will still need to be carried even if cagoules aren't compulsory?
hop fat boy, hop!
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I have been to last two Stockholm indoor events so have four school maps tho they have been in CompassSport...
Please have a look at my headcam videos on YouTube for a frustrated competitors eye view.
Also no problems using a headcam in Stockholm, so...
Please have a look at my headcam videos on YouTube for a frustrated competitors eye view.
Also no problems using a headcam in Stockholm, so...
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madmike wrote:I take it anti-crocodile whistles will still need to be carried even if cagoules aren't compulsory?
So are the showers marked on the map so we can avoid them?
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Brilliant news. Date in diary already. Same weekend as the Aire Saltaire Urban Race, which is another one I'm really looking forward to. (For those unfamiliar with Saltaire, it is a World Heritage Site, based round the mills and worker's village developed by Bradford Victorian industrialist and philanthropist, Sir Titus Salt). Sounds like a great weekend.
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Must invite ourselves up to Otley for the weekend!
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Brilliant that someone has taken this on. Everytime I am in a school for work reasons I imagine being allowed to run along the corridors just like I could never do when I was actually at school.
Outdoor sprint planning is hard to reduce cheating. Hopefully artificial barriers/tapes will be monitored and/or respected.
Outdoor sprint planning is hard to reduce cheating. Hopefully artificial barriers/tapes will be monitored and/or respected.
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I've done half the survey and am hoping for some advice/thoughts! Grateful for advice already received. Just found this:
http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uplo ... ol19_1.pdf
I think:
1. Most immovables (posts, walls...) should be solid black.
2. The exception is stairways that link floors. These are important and should be highlighted - perhaps in green - with a letter attached unique to that stairway. The same letter would be by the stairs on each floor served by those stairs.
3. These stairs will have an arrow on them pointing downhill - do stairs that don't link floors need an arrow? These are numerous (the site is sloping) and some are short (3 or 4 steps). These stairs will be shown grey not green.
4. The map for each floor will be positioned directly above the floor below. The floors will be labelled on the maps: 0 (ground), 1, 2.
5. The scale will be 1:1000 and the map orientated to N. (It will fit on A3 just)
6. All moveables that are significant enough to map (desks but not chairs) should be blue.
7. Rooms/areas that are out of bounds will be drawn/shaded in the usual out of bounds shade.
8. All doors will be mapped even external ones. Those not to be used (locked) will have the gate symbol blocked by a solid black line. Those that may be used will have an open gate symbol... or perhaps just a gap? (The gate symbol may make it appear the corridor is blocked if two door are opposite each other).
Any thought on this or anything else to do with mapping before we start drawing?
http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uplo ... ol19_1.pdf
I think:
1. Most immovables (posts, walls...) should be solid black.
2. The exception is stairways that link floors. These are important and should be highlighted - perhaps in green - with a letter attached unique to that stairway. The same letter would be by the stairs on each floor served by those stairs.
3. These stairs will have an arrow on them pointing downhill - do stairs that don't link floors need an arrow? These are numerous (the site is sloping) and some are short (3 or 4 steps). These stairs will be shown grey not green.
4. The map for each floor will be positioned directly above the floor below. The floors will be labelled on the maps: 0 (ground), 1, 2.
5. The scale will be 1:1000 and the map orientated to N. (It will fit on A3 just)
6. All moveables that are significant enough to map (desks but not chairs) should be blue.
7. Rooms/areas that are out of bounds will be drawn/shaded in the usual out of bounds shade.
8. All doors will be mapped even external ones. Those not to be used (locked) will have the gate symbol blocked by a solid black line. Those that may be used will have an open gate symbol... or perhaps just a gap? (The gate symbol may make it appear the corridor is blocked if two door are opposite each other).
Any thought on this or anything else to do with mapping before we start drawing?
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Sounds great! A few thoughts...
3. Think staircase arrows pointed up at SIC. But I guess it doesn't matter so long as its consistent! What you say about other stairs (that don't link floors) makes sense to me.
5. Probably not essential to orientate to North - compass isn't much use indoors!
8. Not sure about gate symbol for doors. Think I'd prefer it if doors were just a break in line between rooms (if planned to be open) or a solid line if planned to be closed - reckon the gate symbol might make it harder to read quickly and see routes.
3. Think staircase arrows pointed up at SIC. But I guess it doesn't matter so long as its consistent! What you say about other stairs (that don't link floors) makes sense to me.
5. Probably not essential to orientate to North - compass isn't much use indoors!
8. Not sure about gate symbol for doors. Think I'd prefer it if doors were just a break in line between rooms (if planned to be open) or a solid line if planned to be closed - reckon the gate symbol might make it harder to read quickly and see routes.
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Re: First York Indoor Cup
It’s starting to get exciting... and a little stressful (3 Swedish indoor O people have entered!?). Courses finalised and final details on the EBOR website. Trophies purchased. Courses pre-run but we’re still not sure how long they are as GPS didn’t work. We tried a pedometer instead but the “runners” kept either going down the wrong corridors or having to walk, both of which inflated the number of paces. But the men’s and women’ courses are both about 2.5km. So what will the winning times be?
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What a brilliant event - confusing, managed to return to start twice before finding my first control. Thanks to everyone for making it happen, and looking forward to seeing photo, video's that people took.
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Echo everything you say - brilliant event. Like you, I had a bit of a 'mare at the start, losing three and a half minutes just trying to sort out orientation (which, in hindsight, was, of course, easy!). After that, got into a nice rhythm - apart from bouncing off Mr Myers at one stage, and running from 13 to 15 to 14 to 15 (fortunately only a few seconds difference)! Loved every second of it (after those first three and a half minutes!), so much so, had to go back and run the other course n/c - almost as hard second time round!
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