Eligibility to be British Champ

[madmike]

Ok - what do we think people?

[SJC]

You have missed out the option of going back to what it used to be - A member of BOF and either a British Citizen or a resident.

[madmike]

that's other - vote other and then put a note in saying what other you favour!

[andypat]

Arent we being a bit restrictive?
Whats wrong with having a completely open competition with an Open Champion and a Native champion - extra kudos for any Brits who acheive both?

[DaveK]

I've gone for 'other' as it seems to me that SJC's suggestion is the right one. Be interesting to know how the decision to change was made (unless I missed something)? There is occasionally a bit of BO 'bashing' around here I have noted , but I've always felt that we are all BO and have (should have?) collectively, the ability to change things we don't like. Bit simplistic maybe.

[madmike]

Arent we being a bit restrictive?
Whats wrong with having a completely open competition with an Open Champion and a Native champion - extra kudos for any Brits who acheive both?

nothing - good idea: don't they do exactly that in Scotland at some events?

[Electrocuted]

Arent we being a bit restrictive?
Whats wrong with having a completely open competition with an Open Champion and a Native champion - extra kudos for any Brits who acheive both?

nothing - good idea: don't they do exactly that in Scotland at some events?

Yes, at the Scottish champs they have for elite classes (I think) an open champion, a Scottish champion (member of a Scottish club) and a Scottish native champion.

[Gross]

In years gone by some GBR elite athletes were unable to compete in the British as it would prevent them competing in the Swedish or Norwegian Champs later in the year... (as happened in the instance mentioned by Eric in another post where GG's club was promoted after the 'winning' club was dq'd for running a Lithuanian athlete who had earlier competed in the LTU champs....)

[graeme]

Relay or individual?
Assuming this this inspired by Toni's post, you should note she's only arguing for relays.

[smf]

Arent we being a bit restrictive?
Whats wrong with having a completely open competition with an Open Champion and a Native champion - extra kudos for any Brits who acheive both?

nothing - good idea: don't they do exactly that in Scotland at some events?

Yes, at the Scottish champs they have for elite classes (I think) an open champion, a Scottish champion (member of a Scottish club) and a Scottish native champion.

Trophies shall be available to the first Scot in each age group. For this purpose members of Scottish open Clubs shall be automatically recognised as “Scots”. Other orienteers wishing to be classed as “Scottish”, such as those born in Scotland or long-term Scottish residents currently living outside Scotland or competing for their university, must make their status known to the organiser before the race
“Scots” are any one of the following
a] born in Scotland
b] have at least one Scottish parent
c] be a member of the Scottish Orienteering Association
Note the M21E, W21E and relay trophies are still for all comers.
For the M and W Elite classes there will be three trophies – Winner, Scottish Native Champion and best Scottish Orienteering Association Member. Scottish Native Champions must have been born in Scotland and not just member of a Scottish club.

and for relays

Any team shall be competitive in any class, however to be eligible to be Scottish Champions, teams shall comprise three members of the same Scottish club or a neighbouring club “alliance” of neighbouring clubs. Teams comprising competitors of inappropriate age or gender shall not be eligible to become Scottish Champions. Other course winners should be acknowledged, but will not be designated Scottish Champions.

[SJC]

Have voted other - Someone should be able to become British Champion if a member of BOF and either a British Citizen or a resident.

[Safety]

I had written a decent response to the other post on this but here seems more appropriate.

Other:-

Anyone who is eligible to represent GBR on the international stage. However hard that is to administrate.

[Scott]

Anyone who is eligible to represent GBR on the international stage. However hard that is to administrate.

That would be pretty easy to administrate, but probably very unpopular: the IOF rules require you to hold a passport of the country you are representing.

[Safety]

Anyone who is eligible to represent GBR on the international stage. However hard that is to administrate.

That would be pretty easy to administrate, but probably very unpopular: the IOF rules require you to hold a passport of the country you are representing.

Looks like I voted the wrong one if that is the case. However it does seem a bit of a simplistic rule. There is no requirement in this country for people to have a passport, and in 2015 when WOC is in Scotland, *UK residents won't even need one to travel there to compete. (Unless you guys have declared independence by then)

Feel I should clarify that is my view for the individual champs. For the relay we compete on a club basis therefore if you are in a British club you should be able to compete in the relay for that club. Apreciate these are probably 2 opposite ends of the spectrum, but justify it by saying that no relay team is eligible to represent the country, the individuals of a team maybe, and they could potentially go on to reform the exact same team on the world stage, but they are selected as individuals not a team and the international criteria applies to them as individuals not as a team and therefore I feel it is fair to break the link between national representation and competativeness. Others may have a different view.

(*edited to clarify Gross comment below)

[Gross]

and in 2015 when WOC is in Scotland, people won't even need one to get there to compete.

Oh yes they will.... unless the IOF changes it's eligibility rules and the UK opens it's borders to worldwide visa free travel!