Veteran Home Internationals

[Spookster]

The VHI takes place this weekend in the heart of England. Last year (in Ireland) Scotland narrowly won the individual, and England narrowly won the relay. Scotland will be trying to defend their overall trophy. Wales and Ireland have full teams and will certainly be in the mix.

Relays are at Longshaw on Saturday, then the individual at Eyam Moor on Sunday, both hosted by DVO.

Paul Coulridge ENG 10:00
Richard Barrett CYM M35 10:06
Declan McGrellis IRL 10:09
Nick Barrable ENG M35 10:12
Tim Higginbottom CYM M35 10:18
Colm O'Halloran IRL 10:21
Martin Ward ENG M40 10:24
Ifor Powell CYM M40 10:30
Igor Stefko IRL 10:33
Alan Velecky ENG M40 10:36
Andrew Dale CYM M40 10:42

Dave Weston IRL 10:04
Charlie Adams ENG M45 10:07
Phil Scarf CYM M45 10:10
Brian Corbett IRL 10:16
Quentin Harding ENG M45 10:19
James Clemence CYM M45 10:22
Don Short IRL 10:28
Colin Dickson ENG M50 10:31
David Seward CYM M50 10:34
Senan O'Boyle IRL 10:40
Kevin Harding ENG M50 10:43
Mark Saunders CYM M50 10:46

Richard Wilson CYM M55 10:02
John Rye ENG M55 10:05
John McCullogh IRL 10:08
Alun Jones CYM M55 10:14
Axel Blomquist ENG M55 10:17
Raymond Finlay IRL 10:20
Brian Hughes CYM M60 10:26
Mike Smithard ENG M60 10:29
Bill Hopkins IRL 10:32
David May CYM M60 10:38
Peter Gorvett ENG M60 10:41
Colin Henderson IRL M60 10:44

Anja Stratford ENG W35 10:03
Sophie Brown CYM W35 10:06
Hazel Thompson IRL 10:09
Amanda Crawshaw ENG W35 10:15
Jenny Hemming CYM W35 10:18
Bridget Lawlor IRL 10:21
Sara Campbell ENG W40 10:27
Sarah Bayliss CYM W40 10:30
Mary Knight IRL 10:33
Lesley Ross ENG W40 10:39
Kath Broatch CYM W45 10:42
Kathryn Walley IRL 10:45

Roxanne White IRL 10:01
Margaret Reynolds CYM W45 10:04
Jane Halliday ENG W45 10:10
Heather Cairns IRL 10:13
Alice Bedwell CYM W45 10:16
Jane Morgan ENG W45 10:22
Bernie O'Boyle IRL 10:25
Anne Darlington CYM W50 10:28
Kirsty Staunton ENG W50 10:34
Ann Savage IRL 10:37
Caroline Dallimore CYM W50 10:40
Diane Leakey ENG W50 10:46

Inara Gipsle ENG W55 10:02
Helena Burrows CYM W55 10:05
Ger Power IRL 10:11
Sarah Brown ENG W55 10:14
Liz Campbell CYM W55 10:17
Ruth Lynam IRL 10:23
Sheila Carey ENG W60 10:26
Anne May CYM W60 10:29
Clare Nuttell IRL 10:35
Hilary Palmer ENG W60 10:38
Gill Manning CYM W60 10:41
Tina Cleary IRL 10:47

Here is the final Scottish team for the Veteran’s Home International
(W/M60) Heather Smithard (KFO), Sheila Strain (ELO), Gareth Bryan Jones (FVO), Ian Turner (SOLWAY),
(W/M55) Joyce Brunton (INVOC), Janice Nisbet (ESOC), David Armitage (GRAMP), Rob Hickling (GRAMP),
(W/M50) Lindsey Knox (RR), Christine Patterson (CLYDE), John Tullie (RR), Donald Petrie (CLYDE),
(W/M45) Hazel Dean (FVO), Marsela McLeod (INVOC), Jon Musgrave (MAROC), Dave Robertson (CLYDE),
(W/M40) Sarah Dunn (MAROC), Jenny Peel (SYO), Graeme Ackland (INT), Ben Hartman (INT),
(W/M35) Lorna Eades (INT), Fiona Forrest (RR), Roger Goddard (FVO), Dan Gooch (MAROC).

[Homer]

My money's on Scotland retaining their title. Assuming they get their entry in...
Isn't it too late now?!!
Come on England; prove me wrong!

[andypat]

...... and thats the Scotland team after all the injury withdrawals

[Catfish]

If I was a betting man I would lay my money on England to thrash the lot

[Spookster]

Well, it was a bit too cold, wet and windy to write anything down at assembly, but from what I remember the top 7 relay teams were:

1. Wales (32)
2. Scotland (30)
3. England (28)
4. England (26)
5. England (24)
6. Scotland (22)
7. England (20)

However, one of Scotland's teams was disadvantaged by a map labelling error, so I think there has been an agreement to switch the positions of the teams in 5th and 6th places, which means the scoring is:

1. England 96
2. Scotland 84

Apologies - I was too cold to try calculating or memorising the Wales/Ireland match situation. Full results will be on the DVO website by this evening I guess.

[madmike]

From DVO website:

Intermediate result at 13:32

1 108:07 Wales 5 CYM
2 109:08 SCOtland 2 SCO
3 111:01 ENGland 5 ENG
4 111:27 ENGland 3 ENG
5 113:50 ENGland 4 ENG
6 113:57 SCOtland 6 SCO
7 114:05 ENGland 6 ENG
8 118:05 ENGland 2 ENG
9 121:42 ENGland 1 ENG
10 124:22 SCOtland 3 SCO
11 126:22 Wales 6 CYM
12 126:37 Wales 4 CYM
13 127:05 SCOtland 4 SCO
14 127:32 Wales 2 CYM
15 127:36 SCOtland 5 SCO
16 127:49 SCOtland 1 SCO
17 135:15 Ireland 1 IRL
18 135:51 Wales 3 CYM
19 149:58 Ireland 2 IRL
20 150:31 Ireland 4 IRL
21 153:22 Ireland 5 IRL
22 158:33 Ireland 3 IRL
Dsq 172:53 Ireland 6 IRL
Completed only 3 laps:
23 109:19 Wales 1 CYM

not sure how you score it Spookster but suspect Wales significantly ahead!

[Spookster]

It's 32, then 30, then 28, etc. Only first 4 of each nation score, or effect others.

So:

1 108:07 Wales 5 CYM 32
2 109:08 SCOtland 2 SCO 30
3 111:01 ENGland 5 ENG 28
4 111:27 ENGland 3 ENG 26
5 113:50 ENGland 4 ENG 24 (22)
6 113:57 SCOtland 6 SCO 22 (24)
7 114:05 ENGland 6 ENG 20
10 124:22 SCOtland 3 SCO 18
11 126:22 Wales 6 CYM 16
12 126:37 Wales 4 CYM 14
13 127:05 SCOtland 4 SCO 12
14 127:32 Wales 2 CYM 10
17 135:15 Ireland 1 IRL 8
19 149:58 Ireland 2 IRL 6
20 150:31 Ireland 4 IRL 4
21 153:22 Ireland 5 IRL 2

Match
1. England 96
2. Scotland 84
3. Wales 72
4. Ireland 20

Tomorrow the individual scoring is 8, 7, 6, etc down to 1, in each of the 12 age categories.

[mharky]

Map labeling error... VOID!!!

[madmike]

So you think 12 points is too much for Scotland to make up Mharkey as you surely can't be afraid of Wales taking 2nd from you tomorrow

[RS]

So who won?

[Catfish]

England by a mile!!
Scotland
Wales
Ireland

[Big Jon]

At relays one of the top Scottish teams were screwed by a map issue error - the first leg which was supposed to be a long course and therefore had a top M40 running was given a short course. the second leg wasn't expecting an 18 minute so wasn't ready, losing time before the changeover, he was handed a long course when he should have had a medium. The third and fourth legs that should have been short, short were in fact medium, short, so our to pW40 who was on last lag had to change to the medium on third leg.
The Scottish team decided not to protest in order to avoid the whole race being voided. However this organisational error blew Scottish chances of tying or winning the relays completely apart.
Individual day - Scotland didn't do well enough.

Current rules count ALL runbers on the individual which is a bizarre situation - positively encouraging injured or ill runners to struggle on when sense and safety says they should retire. The team managers have agreed to discuss the rules of the VHI and change them where necessary to improve the competition. Discussions will be held on national web sites.

[RS]

Sounds like rather a hollow victory for England

Well done to Scotland for their sportmanship in not protesting ,but I think you had every right, although the marvellous Welsh win would probably have stood

Hope DVO never organise the Harvester or major relays

[graeme]

Sounds like rather a hollow victory for England

Yes, the relay was unfortunate, and our team was weakened by illness and injury, but even so the margin of English victory in both relays and individual leaves no doubt that they were deserving winners.

the Harvester or major relays

Poor Ben. Last time he ran down here in the Harvester he got tagged in the lead on leg six... but there was no map for him and that was the end of that.

[PG]

Sounds like rather a hollow victory for England

Don Petrie and Sarah Dunn did a magnificent job in setting up Chris Patterson to bring their team back in 6th place, despite each running a longer course than expected. But even if they had won England would have just won the relays:
Scotland 32+28+18+12= 90
England 26+24+22+20=92

I agree about scoring on the individuals though.

the individual scoring is 8, 7, 6, etc down to 1, in each of the 12 age categories.

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Current rules count ALL runbers on the individual which is a bizarre situation - positively encouraging injured or ill runners to struggle on when sense and safety says they should retire. The team managers have agreed to discuss the rules of the VHI and change them where necessary to improve the competition. Discussions will be held on national web sites.

To avoid forcing people to run through injury or feel they have let the team down by mispunching, perhaps the best 20 out of the 24 scores should be used.